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Court blocks EPA rules for Oklahoma power plants

Business Week AP -- OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — A federal appeals court has blocked enforcement of an Environmental Protection Agency plan that would reduce pollution from Oklahoma's coal-fired power plants.

The 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday granted a request by the Attorney General Scott Pruitt, Oklahoma Gas and Electric Co. and others for a stay pending a review of the EPA's rule requiring the reduction of sulfur dioxide emissions at four electric generating units.

The EPA's plan is designed to reduce pollution from coal-fired power plants and industrial sources to improve visibility at federally managed wilderness areas, including the 59,000-acre Wichita Mountain Wildlife Refuge near Lawton. It would affect plants operated by OG&E at Red Rock and Muskogee and another operated by Public Service Co


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Submitted Jun 24, 2012 By: drpepperTX
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niceguytx
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Message Posted: Jun 29, 2012 1:53:14 PM

The government cannot keep up.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 1:36:04 PM

Thank you for posting.
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drpepperTX
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 9:56:45 AM

"Congrats on having a productive ranch. How big are LCRA's sludge ponds for settling out the fly-ash?"- Aviator Rob
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Oh my! More bloviating fear monger talk from Rob. 83.87 acres Rob, no incidents and inspected monthly by engineers.LOL, next from the Rob "90% less pollutants? Sure. It's all in the ash now, thanks to the EPA mandated scrubbers. It just kept the pollution out of the air. It didn't make it go away. Oh, and that study doesn't consider CO2 as a pollutant. If CO2 isn't a pollutant than run your car with the garage door closed and get back to me."
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Since airborne pollutants seem to be the concern, what's your point??? As o the silliness of you garage statement, anyhting will kill you in large enough quantity, by your logic H2O is a pollutant.Now for the ultimate in Eco=Imperialism, we get this from Rob- "And that last fact is truly stunning. What your telling me is that coal doesn't kill people, UNEMPLOYMENT kills people. Well, you got me there. I guess we better get more coal miners down into the mines. Especially after the cave-ins and black lung. Heck, coal mining will singlehandedly lower the unemployment rate. It'll also lower the US population at the same time.
Let's also increase the tuna fleet workforce and the active duty military. These are fine jobs. Dangerous? Sure, but I guess that's not the point."
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I am not telling you, research from John Hopkins is telling all of us.
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remay
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 6:56:23 AM

Wow!
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 4:27:06 AM

Reduce the pollution from all power or generated sources and any other source too. No acid rain from sulfur dioxide emissions. Lead, Cadmium, Mercury, and many other heavy metals present in our environment at too high of levels across the globe. Do you want to breathe the air in certain large cities where pollution has gone wild? Scrubbers on stacks and other necessary pollution control devices to help keep our air cleaner.
Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe and reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible.
The price of fuel at the pump is too high!
12/22/2012!
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 1:22:18 AM

Defund the EPA.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:54:13 AM

A court that applies common sense to their rulings, what a breath of "fresh air."
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:44:35 AM

Believe me, Gmsclecarparts, it would be great if there was a dome that could keep in the air from the "common sense" states. That way, the rest of us wouldn't have to pay for your mistakes.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:41:20 AM

Why would they need to limit the amount of pollutants that blow across all those wheat, soybean and cotton fields - plus all the Tyson chicken farms? Let the acid rain ruin everything, especially in Arkansas.

Oh, Gmsclcarparts - thanks for proving that the vast majority of morons in Oklahoma are from OKC, and not Tulsa.

[Edited by: NavyStore at 6/25/2012 12:44:07 AM EST]
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Aviator_Rob
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:41:01 AM

LOL. Did you cut and paste that directly from the coal industry website, drpepperTX? You should ask them for a job. Let's address those "facts" one by one.

Congrats on having a productive ranch. How big are LCRA's sludge ponds for settling out the fly-ash? The last one of those dams that burst in Kentucky washed away a town that was downhill from the powerplant. The resulting land is now a Superfund site.

90% less pollutants? Sure. It's all in the ash now, thanks to the EPA mandated scrubbers. It just kept the pollution out of the air. It didn't make it go away. Oh, and that study doesn't consider CO2 as a pollutant. If CO2 isn't a pollutant than run your car with the garage door closed and get back to me.

Abundant and reliable? Sure but so is natural gas. Leave coal in the 19th Century where it belongs.

Coal is secure? It's so secure that we're now selling it to China. Oh and energy security is overrated. That's what a strategic petroleum reserve is for. We can't be embargoed anymore. No country can afford to turn off the taps.

Half of America's electricity? Not for long. We're building four times more natural gas-fired plants. It's not written anywhere that 50% of our energy MUST come from coal.

Less C02 per KW? Sure but natural gas produces 80% less than coal so why would you even bring that up?

Making a financial case for coal is like making a financial case for asbestos. I can hear the asbestos lobby now, "But asbestos is such a wonderful fire retardent! Banning it will put millions of asbestos workers out of work!" It's also the same argument that coachmakers made when Henry Ford rolled out the Model T. "What will all the buggy whip manufacturers do?"

And that last fact is truly stunning. What your telling me is that coal doesn't kill people, UNEMPLOYMENT kills people. Well, you got me there. I guess we better get more coal miners down into the mines. Especially after the cave-ins and black lung. Heck, coal mining will singlehandedly lower the unemployment rate. It'll also lower the US population at the same time.
Let's also increase the tuna fleet workforce and the active duty military. These are fine jobs. Dangerous? Sure, but I guess that's not the point.

I guess the moral of the story is, "Do your civic duty and breathe in more pollution. How else will we save Social Security? We can't afford to send out checks to all of you.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:24:40 AM

Air quality is fine in Oklahoma! Radical tree hugger eco imperialists are not welcome here.

We take care of our own, & will side with other common sense & conservative principled people like our brothers in Texas.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:22:33 AM

Okay.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:19:07 AM

I guess there's a lot of coal under Lexington, Number43. You have a personal stake in coal? I could see that affecting your judgement.

The Mexicans drug lords have a stake in moving tons of coke and weed into this country, too. Doesn't make it right for them. It shouldn't make it right for you.

You wanna leave your lights and air conditioning on all day while you're out of the house? Fine. But don't expect that rock bottom electricity costs to be a God-given right. And I don't wanna have to breathe your foul pollution. Just remember the old saying. "The right to swing your fist ends at my nose." Any farther and we both have a problem.

Oh and by the way, here in New York State, we have the option to have our electricity sourced from renewable energy. You can either have a mix of hydro, biogas, and wind or 100% wind. It costs an extra seven bucks per month on average and I sleep VERY soundly.

Does your state offer its customers a choice? They should. This is America where we love our freedom.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:09:21 AM

IF you don't want to use it (electricity) fly boy, don't. we could all use a break from ultra liberal new york. Why don all you liberals just stop using electricity all together. You know how bad it is . Give the rest of us a break from all this holier than thou crap.Or just put wind mills out to sea. You want us to do without but your state is one of the biggest users. Ship all of those energy driven jobs some place that is not afraid to turn on a light. MIchigan and ohio could use all of those evil energy driven jobs. Take them from NY and send them to the good hard working, sensible people of Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:09:06 AM

Coal is abundant but it is dirty and dangerous. It is unlikely that Oklahoma power plants run on Appalachian coal but coal operators have devastated vast areas of this region with their mountaintop-removal mining practices. A total ban on this technique is the only sane way forward; sadly, that would also cost jobs.
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Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 12:07:24 AM

What will happen without the EPA? The energy industry will have no regulation.

It's called anarchy.
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Old News
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Agree with the courts.
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Good.
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Clinging on to old ways of doing things just because it's easier and ignoring what's right, is ignorant.
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:59:38 PM

right
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:58:18 PM

@ aviator rob, I sure do AND one of my ranches is directly downwind of the prevailing winds of one of LCRA's coal fired plants. My land is extremely productive, the water wells continue to run clean and clear, and the wildlife is abundant.

Here's a few facts for you aviator, you might try paying attention to fact and the rule of law over fear and paranoia:

Fact: Today's coal fired plants emit 90% less air pollutants than the previous generation.

Fact: Coal is an abundant source of proven reliability.

Fact: Coal is a secure domestic energy source, the US has 1/4 of the world's known supply and there's enough to power our needs for 250 years or more.

Fact: Coal fired plants supply almost half of America's electricity.

Fact: Due to increased efficiency today's coal plants emit less CO2 per KW produced.

Fact: A Penn State University Study concluded that coal adds more than $1 TRILLION to the GDP PER YEAR, $360 Billion in extra household income PER YEAR and over 6.5 MILLION jobs.

Fact: The PSU study also found that if coal plant reduction is just 33%, $160 BILLION would be lost in GDP, household income would be reduced by $64 BILLION and 1.2 MILLION jobs would be lost.

Fact: Johns Hopkins University research shows the effect the above unemployment would have...it would also negatively affect health. Johns Hopkins University conducted the first major research on the impacts of unemployment on public health for the Joint Economic Committee of Congress in 1979 and 1984. In the 1984 study, it was found that every 1 percent increase in unemployment resulted in a 2 percent increase in premature deaths.

The President's war on coal using the EPA as his weapon will have negligible effects on CO2 emmissions, will impose huge costs on an already fragile economy and bring about more health issues for Americans than reducing coal use will stop.
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The Eco-Morons will be up in arms.
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OMG 2012 ...
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The EPA does not care about who pays for anything. Money is not their concern
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Really
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anyone who knocks the EPA down a notch is ok with me...
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Could be worse...
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Are we trying to avoid a black-out in Oklahoma?
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Coal, energy for the FUTURE
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Wow
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And how do they expect OK to get power?
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:47:56 PM

I'm sorry , drpepperTX, but I have to ask. Do you know anything about coal-fired powerplants?

Let's, for a minute, ignore the gas emissions that come out of the smokestack. Do you have any idea what is in the fly-ash that needs to be scraped out of the boiler fire box? This stuff is beyond toxic. It's loaded full of mercury and heavy metals that used to just go up the chimney, which was bad enough. But since coal plants now have scrubbers to keep this stuff from escaping, it's part of the coal ash.

If anyone who doubts this has some land, ask the local coal plant to send ou enough ash to cover your land three feet deep. Then see if anything will grow there. Oh yeah, and stop drinking your well water because it WILL be contaminated.
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Really!
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Ok
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EPA is crazy!
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Hope this speeds up the alternative process
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Good 1 AVIATOR BOB . 2 good post's.
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visible pollution maybe better than some gases released by cleaner plants
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clermont40miles, if you were on the USA Olympic Team, your event would be "Jumping to Conclusions".

Do you seriously believe that you'd be better off without the EPA? What's your plan to keep the air from turning brown? The honor system?

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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:37:44 PM

OGW posts "Regardless, coal is one of the dirtiest products to be used for energy production and should be BANNED, I wonder how much they paid off the judge of the appeals court to overturn this. The courts are suppose to protect peoples lives not endanger them, this judge should be fired!"
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It is posts like this that not only reflect ignorance but arrogance of the Eco-imperialist movement. First it is judges, here's the list.
 
  Chief Judge Mary Beck Briscoe
  Senior Judge William J. Holloway, Jr.
  Senior Judge Robert H. McWilliams, Jr.
  Senior Judge Monroe G. McKay
  Senior Judge Stephanie K. Seymour
  Senior Judge John C. Porfilio
  Senior Judge Stephen H. Anderson
  Senior Judge Bobby R. Baldock
  Senior Judge Wade Brorby
  Senior Judge David M. Ebel
  Judge Paul J. Kelly, Jr.
  Judge Carlos F. Lucero
  Judge Michael R. Murphy
  Judge Harris L Hartz
  Judge Terrence L. O'Brien
  Judge Timothy M. Tymkovich
  Judge Neil M. Gorsuch
  Judge Jerome A. Holmes
  Judge Scott M. Matheson, Jr.

Second the Courts duty is to UPHOLD THE LAWS OF THE LAND. Obviously Eco-imperialists just find that laws get in the way of their agenda. Freedoms be damned.    
 
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:37:28 PM

Interesting
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:34:37 PM

Number43, it's absolutely stunning that you would invest so much effort in defending coal fired, polluting powerplants. Do you honestly believe that the operators of plants like that spend one second thinking about you?

Only if you're green and named Benjamin Franklin.
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:33:09 PM

Fascinating.
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Geez, caving in!
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Let them do whats right for business.
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:32:28 PM

too late to post.
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:31:55 PM

Believe it or not, CatMan623, even though the air quality in China is horrible, at least they're spending real money on renewable energy.

While we complain about Solyndra's $500 million loss, China last year gave $35 BILLION in outright grants to their solar industry.

At that rate, China will be cleaner than us in a decade.

Oh, and they'll also be on the Moon in a decade. And that's no joke.
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:26:59 PM

Gee OKRifle, I guess the people of Arkansas and Missouri should be thankful for your state's pollution. Maybe New Mexico and Colorado should rescind their pollution controls, too.

Then the wind could really come sweeping down the plains.
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Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:26:23 PM

Wonder how much Federal Funding they will lose by taking this action ;)
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