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Honda Civic mileage verdict has indurstry sweating

MSNBC -- In 2008, it completely revised its processes which resulted in a particularly sharp dip in mileage numbers for gas-electric vehicles like the Honda Civic ...

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remay Champion Author Houston Posts:5,227 Points:1,761,920 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Feb 9, 2012 8:38:19 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse Time for vehicle Manufacturers to fess up!
johnnyg1200 Champion Author St. Louis Posts:1,512 Points:305,140 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 6:19:36 PM Ignore johnnyg1200 Report Abuse It sounds like Honda knew that the car couldn’t get the mileage the EPA claimed it could get. The EPA has an agenda and part of that is to push these EV’s and hybrids. Both the EPA and the car industry are willing to lie about mileage to get what they want. The EPA test is done in very controlled conditions and do not represent the real world.
GasFreeLeaf All-Star Author Orange County Posts:950 Points:351,845 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 5:30:36 PM Ignore GasFreeLeaf Report Abuse indurstry sweating? lol
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,252 Points:681,040 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 2:15:32 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse Doesn't all vehicles get lower gas mileage than what is posted when your air conditioner is on?
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:1,260 Points:650,905 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 2:11:26 PM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Goood for the guilty verdict.
Hoporrene Veteran Author Mississippi Posts:262 Points:125,345 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 1:12:29 PM Ignore Hoporrene Report Abuse They want our money and we want the truth, can't keep lying and stealing from us.
Metrolizer Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,774 Points:1,907,850 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 1:07:01 PM Ignore Metrolizer Report Abuse This small claims court ruling does injustice to Honda, to automobile manufacturing, to U.S, automobile retailing, and to the American public.
imcheep All-Star Author New Mexico Posts:789 Points:312,805 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 12:52:12 PM Ignore imcheep Report Abuse Need the truth in advertising.
clpassenubye Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,190 Points:428,465 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 12:50:32 PM Ignore clpassenubye Report Abuse I hope the industry starts telling the real truth not optimum level truth
carnifolks Veteran Author New Jersey Posts:354 Points:352,385 Joined:Sep 2006	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 12:44:04 PM Ignore carnifolks Report Abuse exactly...we expect the salesman to lie. not the epa
SUNOIL Champion Author Toledo Posts:3,412 Points:1,570,930 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 11:48:15 AM Ignore SUNOIL Report Abuse Pay the settlement and get real milage in there. We don't care what you can get in a test garage.
Buckeyee Champion Author Maine Posts:2,432 Points:558,105 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 11:00:26 AM Ignore Buckeyee Report Abuse I need to sue, my 03 Bonnivelle gets better mileage then what was on the sticker !!
johntxx All-Star Author Texas Posts:707 Points:257,950 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:58:04 AM Ignore johntxx Report Abuse I've had one tank right in the ballpark ( between 39 & 40 mpg) on my '11 Elantra which claimed 40 mpg on the highway. Even on a streamlined vehicle like the Elantra, wind is a huge factor. One day as I was traveling north, I was averaging almost 50 mpg for about 40 miles. However, on my return trip into the wind the tank's average came down to 35 mpg. These figures were achieved traveling between 70 & 75 mph. I'm sure if I slowed to the low 60's, I would get better results. Drafting makes a big difference too, but I don't recommend it for most due to distractions (you can't be eating, messing with the radio or cell phone). [Edited by: johntxx at 2/8/2012 10:59:09 AM EST]
FunMyster Veteran Author Indiana Posts:433 Points:45,750 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:58:03 AM Ignore FunMyster Report Abuse BobBG got it right.
ifallsguy Champion Author Minnesota Posts:4,709 Points:1,309,465 Joined:Apr 2007	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:50:09 AM Ignore ifallsguy Report Abuse just waiting for all the law suits to start flowing in. The only winners: the liars and their legal support
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,814 Points:1,505,270 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:41:09 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse BMW Straight Six RWD EXCEEDS mileage claims when using SINCLAIR PREMIUM !!!
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,191 Points:1,503,150 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:40:55 AM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse Tge "Your milage may vary" disclaimer has become a stock punchlin like:"that is what SHE said!
graceman Champion Author Baltimore Posts:3,751 Points:917,820 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:37:48 AM Ignore graceman Report Abuse I have never got the mileage that they claim.
Chem60 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,908 Points:454,475 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:37:47 AM Ignore Chem60 Report Abuse I always thought that was an "up to" kind of benchmark. Not a real attainable goal.
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:1,797 Points:388,445 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:36:17 AM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse Darn, and I was on my way out the door to $$$$$$$$$$ on one of those things.
BobBG Veteran Author Albany Posts:447 Points:581,700 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:31:01 AM Ignore BobBG Report Abuse You can not assume that you will get the EPA rated MPG. It is possible, but you have to really work at it and most of won't. The purpose of the ratings is so when you are shopping for a car you can compare one model to another and have a fair idea of which gets better mileage.
Norm10 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,853 Points:90,770 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:29:58 AM Ignore Norm10 Report Abuse The solution is easy - just stick to gas and diesel engines.
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:17,392 Points:2,011,270 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:28:41 AM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse blame the epa ...............
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,814 Points:1,505,270 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:25:18 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse Back when gas was 27c a gallon GM was making bad cars !!! My new OLDSMOBILE got 100 miles to the Quart on MOTOR OIL !!! [Edited by: Amplion at 2/8/2012 10:27:59 AM EST]
kx250 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,426 Points:771,925 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:19:30 AM Ignore kx250 Report Abuse Solution: just make gas cheaper, then all this hogwash goes away
portlandcat Champion Author Tennessee Posts:1,837 Points:329,620 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:16:54 AM Ignore portlandcat Report Abuse good luck
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,814 Points:1,505,270 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:15:08 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse I agree that Honda is often poorly designed !!! I will NEVER own a HONDA !!!
orphancarguyPE Champion Author PEI Posts:2,194 Points:422,430 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 10:05:00 AM Ignore orphancarguyPE Report Abuse The point NOT covered adequately by THIS article, is not that YMMV (your mileage may vary) but that there was a SPECIFIC technical problem with the battery pack of SOME years of Honda hybrid models. Years and years before their time, the batteries stopped accepting and holding a 'fast charge' cycle from the gasoline engine/generator. A similar type of problem does occur sometimes in lesser batteries such as those that power a laptop or a cellphone--some will last years and give a long use from a single charge, and others can be charged fully but go flat in hours. The point is not that hybrids aren't fuel savers--they are. The Honda battery pack design led to far too many of their hybrids with batteries running flat very quickly, so that the gasoline engine was running all the time, with disasterous fuel economy consequences. Toyota generally has very good battery packs, and it is no joke that there are taxis and former taxis on the West Coast (specificially, in Canada in BC) including first generation Prius running still on their original battery packs after 10 years+ and several hundreds of thousands of miles/kilometers. The taxi business is a hard test of durability, and if a taxi/former taxi in Vancouver has 400,000 km/250,000 miles on it, that is like double the mileage for regular car usage. The point of this lawsuit was that it was a Honda specific problem, and that the class action lawsuit would only result in a meager credit to a purchase of a future car, and not result in either replacement of the faulty battery packs or recovery of money wasted. As well, Honda proposed a technical 'fix' that did little to actually improve mileage. Don't bash hybrids--bash Honda for making a mess of a problem much much worse by mishandling the fallout instead of fixing the problem properly the first time.
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,831 Points:512,150 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:59:52 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse indurstry?
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,814 Points:1,505,270 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:55:37 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse BAN ETHANOL
molebaby96 All-Star Author Tallahassee Posts:739 Points:168,025 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:54:22 AM Ignore molebaby96 Report Abuse Ethanol in fuel reduces gas miliage.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:4,814 Points:1,505,270 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:49:37 AM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse I have noticed that HONDA DRIVERS (more than any other brand) think that they need to be the fastest car on the road. This uses more fuel than driving in a normal manner !!!
gasrat6083 Champion Author Long Island Posts:1,694 Points:839,105 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:49:31 AM Ignore gasrat6083 Report Abuse About time. The mileage numbers need some basis in reality. The "highway" numbers on my Hyundai Elantra aren't far off the mark, but the "City" numbers are ridiculous. Even suburban driving with stop signs makes crap of these numbers, no less if I had to drive in an actual city like New York or Boston.
dal1 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,161 Points:139,165 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:41:53 AM Ignore dal1 Report Abuse shocking!
paulsond Sophomore Author Maryland Posts:145 Points:304,265 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:34:11 AM Ignore paulsond Report Abuse she didn't read the your mileage may vary text on the car?
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:44,887 Points:1,812,700 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:33:38 AM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse It will probably be overthrown on appeal.
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,671 Points:333,320 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:30:54 AM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . They should ALL be sweating when Liberal Judges make decisions based on emotions and not facts! Honda has nothing to do with the mileage ESTIMATES, and that is what they are ESTIMATES. It even says "Your Mileage May Vary"! More over the ESTIMATE comes from the EPA and the Government tells the car maker what they are allowed to put on the sticker!
Rockyguitar All-Star Author Tampa Posts:851 Points:874,445 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:23:02 AM Ignore Rockyguitar Report Abuse Of course the gubment EPA is going to fix the numbers.
JamesCalvin Champion Author Lancaster Posts:1,270 Points:162,300 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:22:23 AM Ignore JamesCalvin Report Abuse It has only to do with the fees that lawyers get when the law suit pays big dividends!
BurntOrange Champion Author Austin Posts:6,696 Points:1,230,680 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:21:48 AM Ignore BurntOrange Report Abuse Indurstry?
Cakes77 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:3,497 Points:1,332,215 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 8, 2012 9:20:52 AM Ignore Cakes77 Report Abuse Thanks for keeping us informed.